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		<title>Comment on ROV Video &#8211; Costa Concordia Perched Perilously on Rocks, Bow &amp; Stern by Phil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 16:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Divers find four more bodies at Italy shipwreck
USA TODAY - ‎6 minutes ago‎
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-02-22/italy-ship-bodies/53204510/1</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Divers find four more bodies at Italy shipwreck<br />
USA TODAY &#8211; ‎6 minutes ago‎<br />
<a href="http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-02-22/italy-ship-bodies/53204510/1" rel="nofollow">http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/story/2012-02-22/italy-ship-bodies/53204510/1</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Did a Steering Error Sink the Titanic? by Rick Spilman</title>
		<link>http://www.oldsaltblog.com/2010/09/21/did-a-steering-error-sink-the-titanic/comment-page-1/#comment-125089</link>
		<dc:creator>Rick Spilman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 15:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To my understanding the steering linkage was effectively the same as on modern ships (notwithstanding that modern gear tend to be  hydraulic and the Titanic&#039;s was steam.) What was different was the command. Until around the 1930s, &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiller&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tiller Orders&lt;/a&gt;&quot; were still in use.  And explanation from &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiller&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;em&gt;When large steamships appeared in the late 19th century with telemotors hydraulically connecting the wheel on the bridge to the steering gear at the stern, the practice continued.[3][4] However the helmsman was now no longer directly controlling the tiller, and the ship&#039;s wheel was simply turned in the desired direction (turn the wheel to port and the ship will go to port). Tiller Orders remained however: although many maritime nations had abandoned the convention by the end of the 19th century, Britain retained it until 1933[5] and the U.S. merchant marine until 1935.[3] One of the reasons for this system continuing, apart from it being a long-established maritime tradition, was that it provided consistency—regardless of whether a vessel was steered directly by the tiller or remotely by a wheel every vessel had a tiller of some sort and so a tiller order remained true for any vessel. During the transition period the wording of the order was changed, to specify &quot;Wheel to starboard&quot; or &quot;Wheel to port&quot;.[6]

A well-known and often-depicted example occurred on the RMS Titanic in 1912 just before she collided with an iceberg. When the iceberg appeared directly in front of the ship, her officer-of-the-watch, First Officer William Murdoch, decided to attempt to clear the berg by swinging the ship to its port side. He ordered &#039;Hard-a-Starboard&#039;, which was a Tiller Order directing the helmsman to turn the wheel to port (anti-clockwise) as far as it would go. The Titanic&#039;s steering gear then pushed the tiller toward the starboard side of the ship, swinging the rudder over to port and causing the vessel to turn to port. These actions are faithfully portrayed in the 1997 film of the disaster. Although frequently described as an error, it is correct.[7][8]

Although this system seems confusing and contradictory today, to generations of sailors trained on sailing vessels with tiller steering it seemed perfectly logical and was understood by all seafarers. Only when new generations of sailors trained on ships with wheel-and-tiller steering came into the industry was the system replaced.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To my understanding the steering linkage was effectively the same as on modern ships (notwithstanding that modern gear tend to be  hydraulic and the Titanic&#8217;s was steam.) What was different was the command. Until around the 1930s, &#8220;<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiller" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Tiller Orders</a>&#8221; were still in use.  And explanation from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiller" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a>:</p>
<p><em>When large steamships appeared in the late 19th century with telemotors hydraulically connecting the wheel on the bridge to the steering gear at the stern, the practice continued.[3][4] However the helmsman was now no longer directly controlling the tiller, and the ship&#8217;s wheel was simply turned in the desired direction (turn the wheel to port and the ship will go to port). Tiller Orders remained however: although many maritime nations had abandoned the convention by the end of the 19th century, Britain retained it until 1933[5] and the U.S. merchant marine until 1935.[3] One of the reasons for this system continuing, apart from it being a long-established maritime tradition, was that it provided consistency—regardless of whether a vessel was steered directly by the tiller or remotely by a wheel every vessel had a tiller of some sort and so a tiller order remained true for any vessel. During the transition period the wording of the order was changed, to specify &#8220;Wheel to starboard&#8221; or &#8220;Wheel to port&#8221;.[6]</p>
<p>A well-known and often-depicted example occurred on the RMS Titanic in 1912 just before she collided with an iceberg. When the iceberg appeared directly in front of the ship, her officer-of-the-watch, First Officer William Murdoch, decided to attempt to clear the berg by swinging the ship to its port side. He ordered &#8216;Hard-a-Starboard&#8217;, which was a Tiller Order directing the helmsman to turn the wheel to port (anti-clockwise) as far as it would go. The Titanic&#8217;s steering gear then pushed the tiller toward the starboard side of the ship, swinging the rudder over to port and causing the vessel to turn to port. These actions are faithfully portrayed in the 1997 film of the disaster. Although frequently described as an error, it is correct.[7][8]</p>
<p>Although this system seems confusing and contradictory today, to generations of sailors trained on sailing vessels with tiller steering it seemed perfectly logical and was understood by all seafarers. Only when new generations of sailors trained on ships with wheel-and-tiller steering came into the industry was the system replaced.</em></p>
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		<title>Comment on Did a Steering Error Sink the Titanic? by Alan Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 14:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So, was the interface between TITANIC&#039;s helm and rudder old &#039;tiller&quot; sailing vessel oriented or more modern steering. If the movie is correct turning the helm to port after a command &quot;hard to starboard&quot; would have been correct if the old tiller link existed but if the helm was turned to port after the same command and the steering was modern, not &quot;tiller&quot; it would have been a mistake. What was the steering of TITANIC, tiller oriented or modern? In 1912 I would have imagined modern. If so that would leave open a helmsman mistake. Thoughts on the steering linkage only please. Thanks. Alan Hill   ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, was the interface between TITANIC&#8217;s helm and rudder old &#8217;tiller&#8221; sailing vessel oriented or more modern steering. If the movie is correct turning the helm to port after a command &#8220;hard to starboard&#8221; would have been correct if the old tiller link existed but if the helm was turned to port after the same command and the steering was modern, not &#8220;tiller&#8221; it would have been a mistake. What was the steering of TITANIC, tiller oriented or modern? In 1912 I would have imagined modern. If so that would leave open a helmsman mistake. Thoughts on the steering linkage only please. Thanks. Alan Hill   <img src='http://www.oldsaltblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Canadian Submarine HMCS Corner Brook &#8211; Damage a &#8220;Fender Bender&#8221; or is Sub &#8220;Totalled&#8221;? by Canada aan de bedelstaf door oude subs &#124; Bootjesgek.nl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canada aan de bedelstaf door oude subs &#124; Bootjesgek.nl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Feb 2012 04:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in de opbouw (..). De HMCS Corner Brook raakte in juni 2011 de zeebodem, die is zo goed als total loss. Bij elkaar kostte dat Canada 3 miljard, maar morgen duiken, ho maar. Miljarden neerleggen voor [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] in de opbouw (..). De HMCS Corner Brook raakte in juni 2011 de zeebodem, die is zo goed als total loss. Bij elkaar kostte dat Canada 3 miljard, maar morgen duiken, ho maar. Miljarden neerleggen voor [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on &#8220;Rocket Ship,&#8221; MV Delta Mariner Takes Out Eggner Ferry Bridge by Joseph E. Herbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph E. Herbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 22:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amazing what people don&#039;t know about America&#039;s Inland Waterways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amazing what people don&#8217;t know about America&#8217;s Inland Waterways.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crisis at PortSide, Help Save the Tanker Mary A. Whalen by Mardi Gras &#171; tugster: a waterblog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mardi Gras &#171; tugster: a waterblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]  Hats off to Rick Old Salt for this post on the crisis PortSide NewYork&#8217;s Mary Whalen.    A public meeting to discuss saving her will be held this coming Monday.  See info at the end [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...]  Hats off to Rick Old Salt for this post on the crisis PortSide NewYork&#8217;s Mary Whalen.    A public meeting to discuss saving her will be held this coming Monday.  See info at the end [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Chilean Navy Rescues 84 Year Old Sailor on Seventh Attempt to Round Cape Horn by marites villas</title>
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		<dc:creator>marites villas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think some filipino sailor help a lot to this tragedy...why they were not mentioned?thank you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think some filipino sailor help a lot to this tragedy&#8230;why they were not mentioned?thank you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Schooner Ernestina Needs $1.4 Million in Repairs by Robert Kennedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Kennedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 18:31:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The logs just arrived at Grays Harbor Historical Seaport if you would like to follow the progress here are a couple of websites.
http://historicalseaport.blogspot.com/2012/02/logs-for-schooner-ernestinas-new-masts.html
not so sure this one will work but it&#039;s a link to Les Boltons&#039; facebook page. He is posting photos as they work on the log.

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1239538257</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The logs just arrived at Grays Harbor Historical Seaport if you would like to follow the progress here are a couple of websites.<br />
<a href="http://historicalseaport.blogspot.com/2012/02/logs-for-schooner-ernestinas-new-masts.html" rel="nofollow">http://historicalseaport.blogspot.com/2012/02/logs-for-schooner-ernestinas-new-masts.html</a><br />
not so sure this one will work but it&#8217;s a link to Les Boltons&#8217; facebook page. He is posting photos as they work on the log.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1239538257" rel="nofollow">http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1239538257</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Sailor Talk &#8211; &#8220;Kissing the Gunner&#8217;s Daughter&#8221; and &#8220;Sucking the Monkey&#8221; by Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 12:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. monkeys balls
That&#039;s an oft-told tale to be sure, but without any historical basis:

http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/brassmonkeys.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_monkey_(colloquial_expression)

It appears to have had its origins in the twentieth century, having more to do with brass casts of the famous 3 Wise Monkeys from China and Japan, than with the  navy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. monkeys balls<br />
That&#8217;s an oft-told tale to be sure, but without any historical basis:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/brassmonkeys.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/b/brassmonkeys.htm</a><br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_monkey_(colloquial_expression)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brass_monkey_(colloquial_expression)</a></p>
<p>It appears to have had its origins in the twentieth century, having more to do with brass casts of the famous 3 Wise Monkeys from China and Japan, than with the  navy.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Italian Armed Guards Charged with Murder in Killing of Fisherman Mistaken for Pirates by G.Gopal</title>
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		<dc:creator>G.Gopal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Feb 2012 04:09:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Press Reports - it clearly indicates the cover up on the part of the Italian Captain and his Government Spokesmen. Indian justice prevails and India should uphold the rule of law by charging all the naval men and the Captain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Press Reports &#8211; it clearly indicates the cover up on the part of the Italian Captain and his Government Spokesmen. Indian justice prevails and India should uphold the rule of law by charging all the naval men and the Captain.</p>
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